The "Kokumin Kenko Hoken" is also for people who work but are not "salariiman", ie not dependent on any particular company, for example, I have two different jobs but do not belong to any company. That is, I work on a contract basis. In Japan, tells 自由 业 (jiyugyo), and there are also people who work as 自 営 业 (jieigyo), at its own stores, selling vegetables, fruits, etc..
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Yes, the truth is that the European system is much more fair. It is clear that this influences our economy (which is slower and dificl) but after all, is beneficial to citizens.
See? and I have 1 thing I like about Japan, after reading you for so long, it was time, no? xD

Come on, just like here. You just get off the boat people already have free health insurance like the Fifty years of trading each month and paying Social Security taxes. And then all at the same waiting list: who pays and who just landed illegally. Come on, an Asquith. Lucky this system that exists in Spain will go to hell soon (mostly because there is no humane way to hold it).

We complain a lot about the Social Security of Spain, but we should not. It may be slow but is lucky to have her power and benefit from it.

Very true what you say Nueria, we may have to esprar long time, but at least is free. Nor think I will go to hell with social security taking into account that more and more people are pointing to private medical insurance also having to pay social security. In my case the only time I was tubieron to operate through the health insurance and my parents have hired tube tansolo to wait a week before the operation.

It is of the few times that I agree with Angel ... the Social Security of Spain gives true disgust ... and do not say that you have to pay because you have to pay just as well you said cotizais monthly social security with it's YOU ARE paying anyway what else would pay when they go to the doctor to pay each month but do not use it?

Certainly you pay Social Security in Spain, each month, the use or not. And Andraeil says if you want a minimum quality care have to be in private insurance, which does not exempt you from having to continue paying Social Security is mandatory. In other words, you pay twice. With how easy it would allow every citizen to do what he thought best (public or private health insurance) then no, Daddy State (or rather, stepfather State) getting into our private life once every other well. And the worst is having to endure that they do it for our sake.

Not clear to me that public insurance could work if it does not pay the entire population. Never if the fee is proportional to the income of each insured.

True, we pay Social Security (how could remain, if not?) But it is also true that not everyone can afford a private health insurance. Many criticisms of Social Security because I think you never really needed. I do not mean to stand in line for prescriptions, but serious surgery.

How right you Angel. The SS is a disaster here. Infumables addition to waiting lists, sometimes I go directly to the pharmacy to prescribe me what they best fit, though more expensive to get out.

My doctor for years now that I see the hair (and what's left, I hope).

Hello!
20% pay only a few years ago Particular ... but now we fear that pay 30%. Also, it says you have to pay 30% of company in years.

I really find it shameful to speak of social security without even having any idea what you speak.

I have a private insurance, the best and I still think that social security is not great, but at least you're not helpless.

I have several medical friends, they always complain about working conditions but do not doubt that the system is good, what happens is that it could be much better managed.

Another thing is that you may be very gentlemen to wait for what you have to wait and not think about the people who work behind, they also suffer the precariousness of the system. There are doctors who are on call for up to 30 or 48 hours sleep a few hours and bad.

I'd like to see you in trouble in any other country, unable to pay for an operation that could save your life.

Well, I think you need to value more what we have, which is something ... Of course that social security can be improved, of course there listings espera.pero Espanha I think that makes a huge effort on health care, public, and under , and left many millions each anho it. Sure I paid (well, pay listed, I still do not), but presumably that's what taxes are not? In my opinion we are ahead of many countries.
More and more people can afford private insurance, or get it in the agreement, so q that people can (and should) go to private doctor to relieve a little the public. Who continue to pay social security? Of course, besides social security benefits to health is unemployment, pensions, to be paid by all right?

Angel: I do not share your point of view about "coming directly from the small boat" ...

We all like to live well and have the same possibilities? Those who risk their lives in small boats coming looking for what they have in their countries. While there are such large differences in living standards between us "civilized" and those living below Algeciras, emigration will exist. And I fully understand those who come to Espanha.

And who is to blame not only that Mohamed Senhor allowed out, but "civilized" that should be more involved in the development of a global world, not just the development of their own countries.

I hope that neither you nor I were ever touch migrate for these reasons. A greeting.

A cap that?
Do you wax?

Regardless Dabat entering the SS, thanks for talking about it. It was something that always caught my attention; 3

I think as Nuria, on occasions we can criticize the slow, but when it comes to serious issues, there is no comparison. In fact, when complications are referred to many audiences.

I can speak of knowingly ss. Ten years ago I suffered a very serious (fatal in 97% of cases). One of the key factors to overcome (besides belonging to 3% of those who fought statistically) was the speed in testing and diagnosis. I went to the doctor with a sore that appeared overnight, the afternoon was made all the tests to diagnose and in a couple of days I was in surgery.
With the SS just to give me day and time with the specialist would have taken me a couple of months, a few more for testing and perhaps half a year for the operation. Result: luncheon was over.
So yes I have suffered serious situations to review it.
José Manuel, you're right, most people go directly to the pharmacy for not having a lot of time waiting for the doctor to wait on you a couple of minutes and prescribe what you can buy directly at the pharmacy.
Javi, do not confuse the public health system with the pension system. Although people call all social security are absolutely different things. In fact, managed in two different ministries.
The illegal immigration issue is too complex to be dealt with in two lines. Just say that you can address what can be met. Yes, there are many poor people in Africa, millions. Are you going to bring everyone to Spain? Where do you get? Who's going to keep? The only thing you would get is to collapse all and that everything was a mess.
You can get to what you can get. I'll give you an example. I earn a salary rather short, I have two school-age children. Yet I keep a little money each month to sponsor a Tibetan child. I would like to sponsor fifty or sixty, but that my children would have to live in miserable conditions. There are priorities.
A cordial greeting.

Today I went to the doctor today accompanist and acupuncture came out for 500 yen which I thought was very cheap as I said is to be removed

I also I have a friend always says nurse and doctors and SS appliances are much better than the private, as in the SS always have the latest technology because there is money, and look more for private money before buy a new appliance. Now if, whether to use these devices have to wait a year ...
I think the SS is very good for the Spanish.
For example, having a child costs in Japan in hospital costs about 6000 €. Do all families have € 6000?

Nora: Yes, let's say that you say is as self-employed in Spain, bone, working for themselves.

Alain, tell your nurse friend who does not know what it says. Well, yes I know but tells you what you want. I guess as an employee of public health is real fear that one day someone finally roll up and privatized. Nor is it to tear their clothes. All you have to do is work a bit harder and with more attention.
Do the doctors? Neither better nor worse. They are practically the same, as almost all doctors simultaneously his public work in private practice. The only thing that one usually nap in the other, as they demand results or go to the street, apply a little more.
Devices ¿? Unfortunately I had to use much medical technology and I assure you I never have told me to go public because they had the art material for the treatment in question.
Furthermore, even if it were as you say, it is not, why do I want a technology in the ss if I have to put myself in a kilometric queue to use it? In medicine, speed counts a lot, especially for the diagnosis and that private health care, at least in Spain, gives the soup with deep public.
I said.

And I add: my wife was also an advocate for public health. In fact he refused to take out private insurance and pay twice. Change your mind when you started really need to go to the doctor for important things and saw how it worked in public health. He said private insurance without delay and that takes years. He has no desire to return.
When you're young, and therefore believes that it is immortal and will always be healthy, these things are not too much. It will come: It's starting to have a birthday and be watching the supposed iron immortality and health does not exist anywhere. Then you start to look for someone you really cure and also treats you well, this very important thing. When you're pocho, good manners and little details are very much appreciated. Moreover, contribute greatly to healing.
Is it the same to recover from an operation sharing a room with a few patients or having a room for one, fully equipped with a bed next to someone you want to be accompanying you to be with you quietly? And without giving people who do not know, or have to ask anyone you have not ever seen please do not yell or make noise or being so bad the truth is that you do not want to put a program on TV for those of crotch (I mean the heart). In short, no color ...
He once told an eminent doctor who cares for my wife (of the very best in Barcelona in his specialty), "the money to pay you every month on private insurance is money better spent and more results ever." I tend to ignore those who know.
Greetings.

Angel, I understand what you say about immigration, do not talk about creating untenable situations. You can not collapse a system that works, as is Spanish (better or worse, work) trying to fix others who do not just take off.
Obviously not have the capacity and stability to accept everyone in Spain. All I'm saying, though it seems simple, is that immigration comes from inequality, and as the world depend on where your opportunities are born, to me, if I were faced with an immigrant, I can not think of any justification for saying no emigrate. Moreover, I think, legally or illegally, do the same.
A greeting.

Javi, thanks for your comment as well thought out and well-balanced. I also do the same, you can believe it. The world, if you think about it thoroughly, it sucks. Soon we can. My conclusion is that a general and little I can fix, I'd rather spend my limited energy to help a specific person with face and name. Do not think that is a bad solution. If every adult person in Spain to spend less than it costs to buy a newspaper a day to help a family, many millions, with name and face, and would benefit the future. That is also why I bust all these who are all day talking about solidarity and others, but look away when you tell them they release a dollar to help someone.
In short, everything is complex.
A warm greeting.

Hello again, I come from another, and I read this morning, but I could not answer and I'll take the win ...

The Spanish social security is good, which is no longer so well is to be universal for stepping on Spanish soil.

There are English estates in Murcia and Extremadura, which have come from the sun and therefore must pay half there and here it is free without having contributed anything ever.

I have had a bleeding problem appendicitis (peritonitis) and I have attended a full day osease I've been a day from nine o'clock until one the next day waiting in the waiting room of a hospital. The kicker, the one in the morning I had the doctor or, if not by a surgeon who came to operate than if I felt and saw the gravity urgent experience sent me into the operating room and three in the morning I had surgery, appendicitis as I said bloody. This is our social security ...

For other stories mutual and private hospitals are testing a few days on social security for surgery for a herniated disc, fourteen months of waiting. And when a painful hernia, I say it hurts.

You have to go through the little things to see what kind of security we have ... just that.

All is not gold that glitters.

A GREETING.

Another year they catch the festivities of your people, and Monday fuera.Hoy start the "xulla." Another year will be, at least you have recent days and faults Madalena were you with your family.
I heard tb. David Bisbal is No. 1 in Japan and that the day will act ahi.Si 22 pudieráis go, sure you would Ayumi forward to seeing his performance, no? Bisbal himself believes it or how famous you are doing, that this far has succeeded.
A kiss and continues to write your report more or less daily but very interesting.

A friend of Villarreal

Here in Spain it's time to start charging even 1 or 2 euros symbolic. This sure some people who will spend the time to stay home consultation.
Moreover, the health service in Spain is second to none in the world.

I used to pay the kokuminkenkohoken now I do not pay the fee that shakai hoken, now in the shakaihoken dse payments is included unemployment insurance, health insurance, the nenkin, I have a day off a month that is paid and can be any day of the month, not even the law of the Shakai Hoken, if anyone knows the law help me a lot

HELLO, I AM FINDING OUT THAT PRIVATE INSURANCE IS OFFERED IN JAPAN, AND Kokumin Shakai BESIDES, THERE IS NO MORE 2 O, EN INGLES, AN ERA VITALVIDA if I mistake SPEAKING PEOPLE OF BRAZILIAN AND, IF YOU KNOW THAT INFORMATION TO BE PUBLISHED AGADECERIA,

were used if they were going to the doctor paying for family insurance costs about $ 400 a month very few companies provide health insurance and if the guest gives you $ 120 or more per month without insurance go to emergency when it comes to your bills residence will not drop $ 900 o1200 free or water that is taken and if we talk about tax or (taxes) for the property for clothes for food up shit paid taxes and supposedly is for services provided to us and we provides nothing for it if you seek medical treatment have to pay for the vicit doctor if you have insurance you pay a deductible of $ 15 a40 and if you do not have insurance to $ 180 for vicit ALDOC this is for a citizen or legal resident if you are illegal that God Vendig and would have used a health system like those of Spain or another European country

the average salary in miami florida (USA) is around $ 950 per mesmuy few reach the $ 1400 omas month a state where nearly 40% of its residents lack health insurance buy one is impossible because of the cost of this to outstrip $ 400 or $ 500 a month to come and live here to (USA) to see what it costs and whether they can afford to get sick go to shit when I send invoice the cost of hospital or medical consultation and van agradeser what they have in Spain or another European country health system otherwise rent a flat out around $ 1600 per month plus electricity, water, insurance car compulsory cheaper $ 380 and if you own a home the mortgage does not fall below $ 3000 USD.

EUROPE SPAIN ALIVE ON ALL

Hello to all those involved in this pag. both for those living in Japan as they are out of the land of the rising sun.
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many to thank you all.